The shooting down of flight 752 is investigated in the following video. The full truth will never be know (just like 9/11). The problem is that both sides are lying for their own reasons.
Security camera footage verified by The New York Times shows that two missiles fired 30 seconds apart took down Flight 752, killing all aboard. The date visible on the footage is “2019-10-17,” not Jan. 8, the day the plane was downed. We believe this is because the camera system is using a Persian calendar, not a Gregorian one. Jan. 8 converts to the 18th of Dey, the 10th month in the Persian calendar. Digitally that would display as 2019-10-18 in the video. One theory is that the discrepancy of one day can be explained by a difference between Persian and Gregorian leap years or months.
“University of Tehran Cyperspace Research Lab: On the matter of the Ukrainian plane accident in Iran, the role of human error has been ruled out [as it has been discovered that] deception operations were carried out on the air control & command system.”
« University of Tehran Cyperspace Research Lab:
On the matter of the Ukrainian plane accident in Iran, the role of human error has been ruled out [as it has been discovered that] deception operations were carried out on the air control & command system. – https://t.co/kafH7aegMp
If the Israelis can now apply EW (electronic warfare measures) to not only incapacitate Syria’s Russian-supplied air-defense missile systems, but ‘hijack’ them to impact where they came from, then it’s well within Western military capacity to induce a Russian-supplied Iranian air-defense missile system to fire at a civilian airliner because its radar is tricked into recording an incoming cruise missile. https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202001131078026961-iran-jet-disaster-setup/ (photographer on this event reminds me of those Dancing Israeli’s there to film 9/11)
Documentation: Syrian Army air defense system “gone crazy” (rough translation of the Hebrew under the video [=Google translate] Interesting Syrian documentation from the night, from the operation of the anti-aircraft system, indicates that most of the launches “failed” a few seconds from the moment they were sent to the targets.
The high tensions caused by Washington between the US and Iran are to blame for the Ukrainian airliner that was shot down. “Human error at a time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster.”
Just as the Iranian commander misinterpreted the airliner’s maneuver as a strike on a military base, an American or a Russian can conclude that a false warning of incoming ICBMs, of which the Cold War had many, is real.
During the Cold War as each side was working to reduce tensions, there was no hair-trigger in place. Now that the US has caused high tensions with Russia as it has with Iran, false alarms are extremely dangerous. This is the message that Stephen Cohen, myself, and others have continually given. Hopefully, some good will come from the loss of 176 lives by sobering up the war hawks in Washington who are forever issuing threats. The responsibility for raising tensions to such dangerous levels in both Iran and Russia is entirely Washington’s.
This reckless and irresponsible behavior must stop before the unnecessary tensions cause Armageddon. Paul Craig Roberts, "The Danger In Threats"
Interference
Whoever fired the missile is at this point almost irrelevant. It is directly attributable to Western interference from 1953 onward. It is the collateral damage caused by imperialism. The Iranians were expecting a counter attack as the US had announced that it was deploying deploying six nuclear B-52 bombers to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and Iran experienced a 4.5-magnitude earthquake in the region of its Bushehr nuclear power plant. In these circumstances accidents can happen.
Why would they ask for an international investigation then back down and admit? Are they under pressure to accept the blame? It took Iran a couple of days to admit culpability but when America killed 290 people by shooting down a commercial airliner they never admitted liability. Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser of the United States Navy. It took until 1996 for the US to reach a settlement. The U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran. The crew of the ship and the Captain were awarded Post-tour of duty medals.
I still believe that the fact that the aircraft was Ukrainian is a strange confluence of events to say the least. Also the fact that Iran was willing to request a transparent international investigation then backed down and admitted fault. It suggests that they were under enormous pressure to take responsibility. For now we accept the official narrative that it was an Iranian mistake – the collateral damage of Empire.
Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi has told the U.S. secretary of state to send a delegation to Iraq tasked with formulating the mechanism for the withdrawal of U.S troops from Iraq.@akhbarhttps://t.co/IVBBIizZUl
Iran’s latest propaganda video is a doozy. The Qods Force blows up the Capitol dome, captures the White House, and kills Donald Trump — to avenge Qassem Soleimani. pic.twitter.com/6QLML3S6h3
If you don’t have time to watch anything else about the Iran, then watch this. Mike Robinson and Patrick Henningsen on UK Column News provide an excellent timeline summary of events accompanied by an unbiased analysis. This is what real news used to be like.
Also, as mentioned in the video why would Iran offer complete transparency into the air crash? Why would they ask American and Canadian investigators to get involved if they had shot the aircraft down themselves? It does not make sense.
Read this article from PressTV (admittedly English speaking Iranian media)
The five eyes have spoken using their five mouths. We now have the PLANE truth. The Iranians were so stupid that they blew their own plane out of the sky. They even videoed it (unconfirmed video) for posterity (but neglected to shout Allah Akbar). The fact that it was a Ukrainian flight is just one of those kwinkydinks (sic).
What really happened?
What really happened? I don’t know and neither do you and we probably never will. However, we know now what they want us to believe. It was friendly fire. The Iranians were trigger happy. (Chortle, those silly muzzies killing themselves). The death of anybody is no laughing matter. There were innocent victims on that airplane. There may also have been deep state agents.
There seems to be discrepancies with the flight-radar and tracking software and telemetry was suddenly stopped being received by the satellite which means it was probably not “engine failure” or a mechanical issue. Odds are they zapped it with a SAM. Anyone with a SAM missile could have downed this aircraft. Just a reminder in case you are inclined to believe anything that they tell you.
Wake up…they just don’t care
MH17 and MH370 were no accidents. Among the casualties were Chinese patent holders related to Rothschild’s Freescale Semiconductor, Inc., of Austin, Texas. The patents were owned in partnership with 6 investors. One was Jacob Rothschild and the other 5 Chinese were the actual inventors. If any of the partners should die, their share were to be distributed among the remaining partners rather than their legal heirs. Strictly by coincidence, all the patent partners other than Rothschild himself were on that ill-fated plane. US firm says 20 employees on missing plane
On the same day before assassination of the Quds Commander General Soleimani and Iraqi PMU General, they killed Taiwan’s top military leader and senior offices because he did not support the Zionist anti-China and their puppet, the current president Tsai Ing-Wen who is seeking re-election on Jan 10, 2020.
So, they do not care if innocent men, women and children are on the plane. The plane truth is that the world is run by psycho’s and pretty soon the veil will be completely removed and you will see the man of sin in all his glory. For the time being they have to maintain a narrative. They have to fool people with propaganda. Soon they will not have to go through any tiresome charades. They will openly remove anyone that opposes them. There are forces at work that are stronger than Trump. Even he is being swept along by events. We are not being told everything (anything). Does this look like the face of a happy confident man? Even at his press conference he looked and sounded very stressed.
Note none of the articles on the missile launch agree on casualties – there seems to be deliberate disinformation going on. The US claims no one was killed. Iran claims eighty? If people were injured or killed the US will be expected to respond.
At this moment we do not know if it was mechanical failure, a bomb or a rocket. The footage (see above) is not very good but shows it coming down in one piece? (fireball which rules out a bomb?).
Comment
The link between Ukraine and Iran cannot be a coincidence. Ukraine is front and center of the impeachment scandal and Ukraine is known for its corruption (particularly regarding energy e.g., gas). The children of the Democrats (including Kerry’s son) and George Soros himself were all heavily involved in the Ukraine. John Kerry negotiated the nuclear deal with Ukraine (the one Trump walked away from). So, straight away we have a connection between Ukraine and Iran. This article was republished (?) on the 3rd of January (the day that Soleimani was assassinated) but it was originally written on 15 July 2015.
I do not know what happened but I doubt very much that it was an accident (sic). The aircraft was probably not shot down by Iran either. This has the fingerprints of the Deep State all over it. The question we need to ask is: Who was on that aircraft? Is the intelligence community tying up loose ends to cover up their energy schemes? Ukraine and Iran were right at the heart of it (was Soleimani involved?). Someone was buying Iranian oil and gas and someone was circumventing sanctions. The link between Ukraine, Iran and the Democrats is suspicious. I don’t believe in coincidences.
Updates
First update
Attention GRAPHIC footage: shows corpses of the deceased passengers. 147 of total 176 people who have lost their lives in this accident are #Iranian nationals. 👇 pic.twitter.com/kMYeh4QQWH
Ukrainian officials confirm that all aboard today’s UIA flight from Tehran to Kyiv have died; Zelensky’s office says the president is cutting short his trip to Oman and returning to Kyiv. https://t.co/5uZ8a8ljjr
Once again I place some comments (unedited) from the Hedge. These are really good and could be articles in their own right.
First Comment:
Blowback From The Soleimani Assassination Increases As Iraq Reveals How Trump Tried To Steal Its Oil
The blowback from Trump’s assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis is increasing. A scandal is developing as one consequence of Trump’s evil deed after Iraq’s Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi revealed the gangster methods U.S. President Trump used in his attempts to steal Iraq’s oil. Below we follow today’s development.
The mourning for the assassinated Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani unfortunately caused even more suffering:
A stampede broke out Tuesday at a funeral for a top Iranian general killed in a U.S. airstrike, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said.
The stampede took place in Kerman, the hometown of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, as the procession began, said the semi-official Fars and ISNA news agencies, citing Pirhossein Koulivand, head of Iran’s emergency medical services.
Helicopter video had earlier shown that the street of Kerman were densely crowded with mourners. The actual funeral has now been postponed.
A U.S. paid anti-Iranian propagandist has turned out to claim that Qassem Soleimani was not really popular in Iran. It is easy to debunk such nonsense by pointing to the University of Maryland which does regular polls in Iran. In October 2019 it found:
General Soleimani remains the most popular Iranian public figure among those tested, with eight in ten viewing him favorably. Second is Foreign Minister Zarif, viewed favorably by two thirds. …
Also this from Professor Abukhalil:
This is the most stunning aspect of the rise of Iranian nationalism due to Trump’s decision to kill Suleimani. This would have been most unimaginable for many decades. The law of unintended consequences. https://t.co/nuxrZ1WzMi
— asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل (@asadabukhalil) January 6, 2020
In addition to his well known military/strategic prowess & achievements, it was also scenes such as this from 2017 – when Soleimani consoled the daughter of a slain comrade at his funeral – that made him so widely respected and revered in Iran. pic.twitter.com/Pnkk8iHiUB
This video from 2017 shows Soleimani consoling the daughter of a slain comrade at his funeral. Such scenes explain why Soleimani was so beloved.
The U.S. has denied Iran’s Foreign Minister Jahvad Zarif a visa for a long planned visit to the UN in New York. Zarif responded by saying that he can talk to the U.S. people from Tehran. Today he proved that by giving a CNNinterview:
Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called US President Donald Trump’s decision to order the drone strike that killed the country’s top military commander an act of “state terrorism” in an interview with CNN Tuesday. … “This is an act of aggression against Iran and amounts to an armed attack against Iran, and we will respond. But we will respond proportionally not disproportionally,” he said. “We will respond lawfully, we are not lawless people like President Trump.” … The interview came as Iran’s parliament voted unanimously for a motion declaring all US forces as “terrorists” on Tuesday, according to Iran’s state-news agency IRNA. The vote took place during the country’s parliamentary session Tuesday, IRNA reported. After the plan was approved, delegates chanted, “Death to America.”
According to a report on Tuesday by the semi-official Tasnim news agency, Iran has worked up 13 sets of plans for revenge for Soleimani’s killing. The report quoted Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, as saying that even the weakest among them would be a “historic nightmare” for the U.S. He declined to elaborate,
“If the U.S. troops do not leave our region voluntarily and upright, we will do something to carry their bodies horizontally out,” Shamkhani said.
The Quds force, the external action arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp, received an additional budget of 200 million Euros. It will put that money to good use.
There are some 60 to 70.000 U.S. soldiers designated foreign terrorists on some 19 bases near Iran and on ships in nearby waters. That are a quite a number of fish in just a few barrels.
Their commander in chief should ask himself if it is wise to keep them there.
The leader of a number of Iraqi Popular Militia Forces will meet in the next 48 hours to plan for the eviction of U.S. forces from Iraq should they not leave voluntarily. For security reasons the meeting was moved from Baghdad to Tehran.
North-Yemen held a quite large public mourning for Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. A Houthi minister held a speech during which he said:
“Soleimani’s blood .. will turn into intercontinental missiles .. to destroy US warships and end US regional presence”
U.S. war ships will certainly have to avoid Yemen’s coast.
The removal of U.S. troops from the region was also the theme of Sunday’s speech by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon. It seems clear that the Resistance Axis will work on the project in a coordinated manner.
Trump said he would ask Iraq to pay for the bases the U.S. has built should the U.S. troops be kicked out of Iraq. The U.S. already has binding legal agreements with Iraq which stipulate that the bases, and all fixed installations the U.S. has built there, are the property of Iraq.
Trump had already asked Iraqi Prime Ministers -twice- if the U.S. could get Iraq’s oil as reward for invading and destroying their country. The requests were rejected. Now we learn that Trump also uses gangster methods (ar) to get the oil of Iraq. The talk by the Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi happened during the recent parliament session in Iraq (machine translation):
Al-Halbousi, Speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, blocked the speech of Mr. Abdul Mahdi in the scheduled session to discuss the decision to remove American forces from Iraq.
At the beginning of the session, Al-Halbousi left the presidential seat and sat next to Mr. Abdul-Mahdi, after his request to cut off the live broadcast of the session, a public conversation took place between the two parties. The voice of Adel Abdul Mahdi was raised.
Mr. Abdul Mahdi spoke with an angry tone, saying:
“The Americans are the ones who destroyed the country and wreaked havoc on it. They are those who refuse to complete building the electrical system and infrastructure projects. They have bargained for the reconstruction of Iraq in exchange for giving up 50% of Iraqi oil imports, so I refused and decided to go to China and concluded an important and strategic agreement with it, and today Trump is trying to cancel this important agreement.”
The American President’s threatened the Iraqi Prime Minister to liquidate him directly with the Minister of Defense. The Marines are the third party that sniped the demonstrators and the security men:
Abdul Mahdi continued:
“After my return from China, Trump called me and asked me to cancel the agreement, so I also refused, and he threatened me with massive demonstrations that would topple me. Indeed, the demonstrations started and then Trump called, threatening to escalate in the event of non-cooperation and responding to his wishes, so that the third party (Marines snipers) would target the demonstrators and security forces and kill them from the highest structures and the US embassy in an attempt to pressure me and submit to his wishes and cancel the China agreement, so I did not respond and submitted my resignation and the Americans still insist to this day on canceling the China agreement and when the defense minister said that who kills the demonstrators is a third party, Trump called me immediately and physically threatened me and defense minister in the event of talk about the third party.”
The reliable Based Cat in Iraq seems to confirm the timeline:
Yes a 50-person delegation visited China in 2019 and then the protests started on October 1st until the Arbaeen dates, then picked up again on Oct 25th. I’m skeptical about the 3rd party but the timing itself was interesting. The flames were fanned by Gulf media and Al-Hurra. https://t.co/1dSiuH8ez5
While this talk has not yet been confirmed it does sounds highly plausible.
The chicken-hawks of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who have all lobbied the U.S. for war on Iran, now fearthe consequences:
Gulf Arab states, potential targets for retaliation after the U.S. assassinated Iran’s top general, are working on multiple tracks to try to keep tensions between Tehran and Washington from building into a military confrontation.
Earlier today Russia’s President Vladimir Putin arrived in Damascus for talks with the Syria’s President Assad. Could there also be a meeting between Putin and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah? Putin will next go to Turkey to inaugurate the gas pipeline between Russia and Turkey.
Second Comment:
Tell Me Who Your Friends Are…
And if Mike Pompeo, allegedly a top US “diplomat”, is in your administration–that pretty much sums up who you are. Make no mistake, currently, the United States has zero diplomats of scale and skill required to handle a clusterfuck which US foreign policy is, but Mike Pompeo is something special–a devout Ruprutist, an Israeli-firster and, in general, is an Exhibit A of a collection of different delusions and disorders preventing such ilk from having any relation with the reality. He is also a BSer of a note when trying to state that:
Evidently this is not quite “true”. I, of course, am not talking about the “the buck stops with me” guy in the White House who simultaneously declared war on Iran (and now on Iraq); in the end he is ultimately responsible for being unfit to run this country (but who is?) and making disastrous decisions. If to believe WaPo (I know, I know) it was US Secretary of the State who for months was pushing for assassination of Soleimani (the article at WaPo is behind the paywall), including feverish, several times a day, sessions with DJT precisely on this issue. Well, he, certainly, succeeded. Now he, together with Trump, are both personally responsible for what follows because Iran will respond. Some moves are already in progress, with Chief of the Iranian General Staff already having consultations with Shoigu (in Russian). Obviously, officially those consultations are defined as aimed “to not allow further escalation”, which in military lingo means a review of options. Meanwhile, Pompeo makes rounds trying to convince everyone that assassination of a very senior government official of the sovereign nation was “necessary“. As I say, yet again, he lied, some Americans already died.
Evidently Pentagon knew what kind of **** Trump was getting United States into and what that meant for US bases in the Middle East. Larry C Johnson was straight to the point:
Too bad (for Pentagon) that Trump went for the most insane option. But, I guess, against the background of a precipitous intellectual decline of US political elites and dual loyalties (primarily to Israel and Saudi money) being a normal fact of US body politic expecting sound geopolitical decisions based on expertise is not a possibility anymore. And so, here we are. I may gather enough will and strength to review some military options but, frankly, it is a fool’s errand since pretty much everyone is going to be writing about it. One such piece, well intended, but wrongly justified has already been written by former Marine helicopter pilot in which this was stated:
An admiral in the UK states that an invasion of Iran would require millions of American troops, akin to the occupation of Germany after World War II. But he’s off the mark: things have come a long way since 1945. In World War II, when we wanted to cripple a German ball bearing plant at Schweinfurt, we had to send 291 B-17 bombers, 77 of which never came home. This scale was due to the inaccuracy of the dumb bombs being used. Today, we have GPS and laser-guided bombs that can reliably land within a few meters of their targets. The accuracy of every weapon system, from tanks to planes to artillery, has jumped by many orders of magnitude, thus requiring fewer personnel and delivery systems to achieve the same destructive results. Iraq was defeated with about 225,000 coalition troops in 2003. Millions of soldiers would not be required to invade Iran.
You know by now my attitude to all those historical parallels, especially when drawn inaccurately. The author, obviously, forgot that Iran, unlike Iraq in 2003, does have modern EW systems, including ones capable of jamming GPS signal and Iran’s army herself has enough of those very same laser-guided munitions which, considering Iran’s nightmarish terrain, will make any armor warfare a living hell for any invader. Same goes for infantry. So, I wouldn’t dismiss assessments by Royal Navy’s Admiral when he states that the United States will need a number of troops around million or so if the United States wants to “occupy” Iran. And here is a conundrum for the US–once the real escalation starts, the US will NEED to win the war for which it doesn’t have resources. Both Trump and Pompeo bear direct responsibility for putting the United States into this strategic trap which, as Phil Giraldi termed it is:
Difficult to disagree. In the end, Trump chose his cabinet and as the saying goes, tell me who your friends are….
Conclusion
Oh Dear…..better shut down the internet. You see it works both ways. It can spread lies but it can also spread the truth. This is the age of the citizen-journalist. So all your presstitutes and paid shills are done for. You can lock Assange up but are you going to lock us all up? (probably). We do not need a degree in journalism or history to discover the truth. People are waking up to your warmongering. You might be able to fool all the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time. Your time has come:
Well George…..you deserve this for your bad delivery (not because you killed thousands, ruined countries and let them get away with 9/11).
When kids are fighting in the playground and are separated by the teacher they always try to establish who started it. I was walking along minding my own business when he punched me in the face and took my lunch money. The teacher knows this is true because the kid has a bloody nose, is sobbing and has no lunch money. The other kid is looking at the ground and has his hands (and the lunch money) in his pocket. Our natural sense of justice demands that we discover “who started it”.
US Army Major (ret.) Danny Sjrusen who writes for (the admittedly left-wing) AntiWar.co, has written a good article called Who Started It?: A (Reverse) Timeline Of US/Iran Retaliations. The article has also been published by Zero Hedge (the link above is to the Hedge). Now Zero Hedge is known for its “robust” comments section. This is to be expected because you get pro-Zionist Hasbara trolls, anti-Muslim trolls,antisemitism, white supremacists, racists, misogynists etc commenting (apologies if I have forgotten anyone LOL). However, this free (and often abusive) exchange of comments and ideas often produces very good links and/or good observations. It is a case of sifting through the dross and sometimes holding your nose. So, I have chosen some of the best links and comments below together with my own introduction. I have not attributed the comments because they are anonymous (using an avatar)…..but a thank you to the commenters.
Comment 1
Introduction: This comment placed a link to the CIA website. The point being that even the Central Intelligence Agency admits on their own website that a coup was staged in Iran (1953).
The usual response to this by the trolls is that “We built the oil infrastructure and invested in the country then the commies went and nationalized it. They stole our stuff and we kicked *** blah, blah (some more jingoism and swearing LOL). The true story is somewhat different (as usual). Before the US the Brits were in control and the Oil company eventually became BP. The problem was (as usual) that the money flowed to a corrupt Iranian elite (isn’t that always the case?) and so when the elected Government of Iran could not negotiate fair royalties etc they nationalized the industry. That is what happens when you refuse to share and act like a bully. The history is fully explained by this link (provided by the commentator):
The Anglo-Zionists started it. They are the bullies. That does not mean that Iran is without blame or somehow perfect. However, the verdict of history is clear and Trumps actions are about to put the icing on the cake.
When kids are fighting in the playground and are separated by the teacher they always try to establish who started it. I was walking along minding my own business when he punched me in the face and took my lunch money. The teacher knows this is true because the kid has a bloody nose, is sobbing and has no lunch money. The other kid is looking at the ground and has his hands (and the lunch money) in his pocket. Our natural sense of justice demands that we discover “who started it”.