Church in Turmoil
The church is in turmoil. I use the word church to describe Christianity in a non-denominational fashion as all of Christianity stands under the judgement of God. The crux of the problem is the Jewish question and national Israel. How does the church universal resolve the problem? Alpha and Omega ministries have produced a video calling out the anti-Jewish sentiment within the church. The internet (twitter X) presence Donnie Darkened comments as follows:
Pastors Mike Winger, Doug Wilson, and James White have received pushback for calling out the anti-Jewish sentiment within the church. Many of their critics hold Gnostic-like beliefs, rejecting Yahweh of the Old Testament and considering Him an evil deity with the Jews as their co-conspirators. I believe a form of Gnosticism is re-emerging in the church, which is significant because it was the first heresy the early church had to deal with. Most Christians were unaware that Gnostics were among them until church fathers like Irenaeus began marking and rebuking them, as detailed in his letter "Against Heresies." This ancestral spirit is something the church must confront again today. Pastor James White suggested that those in the church sowing seeds of resentment and hatred should be put under church discipline, and I absolutely agree. Pastor Mike Winger, in response to the backlash he received from anti-Jewish deceivers, warned the church about this growing sentiment. Both pastors were shocked to see how prevalent this issue is within the church. The trumpets need to be blown; Christians must be made aware of what is happening within the church so it can be addressed. Those pushing this deceitful spirit must be marked, rebuked, and put under discipline. If they do not repent, they must be expelled from the church.
Expelling people from the church who criticize or question the narrative and labeling them as haters and mockers is a drastic step and in my view it supports the Zionists. The arguments presented are very subtle and emotional and require careful parsing. I have included rough time stamps and my comments on his arguments below the video.
From the outset the video starts with the Holocaust.The sacred narrative that must not be questioned. It is OK to question scripture. To dissect Scripture and disparage and mock God. You can even burn the bible (but not the Quran 🤣) and stamp on the ashes but don’t you dare even question the Holocaust. In Germany you can end up in jail as a Holocaust denier. I believe they have jailed a 96 year old Jewish woman over the issue.
My problem is this. If someone comes at me with something that I am not allowed to question or examine historically and couples that to a victimization story then I feel that emotional manipulation is being used. Let me be clear, I am not saying that nothing happened but I am saying that you are not being told the truth.
The stories about Jews turned into lampshades and soap bars has already been exposed and debunked as a lie but the “evidence” at the Nuremberg trial of Nazi headshrinkers still stands.🤣 Does that negate that Mengele performed human experimentation (torture). No it does not, but the lies and propaganda discredit the real evidence and discredits any real victims. And the ridiculous number of six million victims is a canard that was reported in Newspapers between 1915-1938 some 20 to 25 years before it happened. The number 6 million is derived from a Talmudic interpretation of prophecy (it is not even Biblical). Since then the number of historically verified victims has constantly shrunk downward. But you must still respect the 6 million figure. Not 5,999,999 but 6 million Jews died despite the Jewish Global population hardly shrinking. Did many Jews die of hunger, mistreatment and abuse? Yes, there is no doubt. However, I doubt that they were industrially gassed and exterminated by the millions. And what of the 80 million Europeans and Russians etc killed? The Holocaust serves a political ideology and is a used as a psychological cudgel.
Six Million Jews 1915-1938 in 10 Newspapers
Firstly Pastor James White establishes his Bona-fides by discussing the blood libel in the movie Passion of the Christ that had be removed from the subtitles but was left in the original Aramaic dialogue (that most people don’t understand). He rightly says that is what is written in the Biblical account and there is no way around it but then he attempts to absolve responsibility by saying that God used the Jews and the Gentiles to fulfill his will and he quotes from Acts 4:28…
...to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur
He is arguing for a sort of determinism which if logically pursued absolves anyone of responsibility for anything. The apostle Paul exposes this straw man when he declares, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? (Rom 9:19) Blame God for my sin because he made me like this.🤣No one gets a free pass to sin. This argument juxtaposes freewill and predestination a problem which Paul examined with the example of Pharaoh whose heart God hardened. In other words, Pharaoh was given over to his natural psychopathic tendencies and conscious and reason did not moderate his ego. Pharaoh became an example, a vessel of wrath allowing God to display his mercy to his people. However, Pharaoh was not an automaton without choice, but God knows the beginning from the end and the response was expected. I would agree with White that the Jews are not cast off (Paul tell us as much) but the difference is that in the audience addressed by Peter, many Jews repented (even priests).
At about 12 mins White mentions Luther, Eckart, the Pope and antisemitic pronouncements against the Jews. Accordingly, Luther was “one of the ‘church fathers’ of antisemitism.” More seriously, Luther’s attacks have been seen as paving the way for Hitler. In December 1918, Dietrich Eckart founded, published and edited the antisemitic weekly Auf gut Deutsch (“In plain German”) —with financial support from the Thule Society—working with Alfred Rosenberg. The antisemitism of the Popes and Luther and Adversus Judaeos may well have paved the way for the likes of Hitler but antisemitism did not occur in a vacuum. From its inception the early Church (containing many Jews) was subverted and persecuted. From the Nero persecution (under Jewish instigation) until Bar Kochba. There are historical reasons for animosity. Of course that does not condone or excuse what Hitler did (he was a theosophist and not a Christian) but Germany was being culturally undermined and attacked and many of the perpetrators were Bolshevik Jews who later overthrew the Russian Tsaar. In fact, rich Western oligarchs, mostly Jewish, established and funded the Nazis and the Bolsheviks. They set up the opposing dialectic just as they are doing today. There is a reason that the Jews have been expelled from 109 countries and it is not because they have a different religion. How many Buddhist or Amish have been expelled? The West is generally very tolerant to freedom of religion (some would say excessively) so why is it always, always, the Jews. They are expelled because they have the unclean revolutionary Spirit and they believe that they have the God ordained right to rule the world. It is their world and you are here to serve them.
At 14:00 min James White: “that Jews responsible for the death of Jesus, the Bible says they were, no way around it” (agree)
At 16 min White: What has that to do with mocking the Holocaust?
It should not be mocked but questioned. People did die in camps. But the constant narcissistic regressions to victim-hood while they commit atrocities causes this reaction. The Polish saying, “The Jew cries in pain while he stabs you” is not without foundation.
At 18 min White mentions the 1689 London Baptist Confession (never heard of it) presumably pointing out that Baptists are Jew haters (??) because he also talks about Hitler defenders. 🤣
Again no historical context. Hitler was a theosophist not a Christian and there is evidence that British intel and Rothschild were involved with him. At one point Zionists and Nazis were in bed together. The Weimar Republic did not just “happen” but the cultural perversion was the result of the Jewish Marxist Frankfurt school that fled with their ideology to Californication. Perhaps White should learn some history. Does that mean that Hitler was justified? NO. Does it mean he was a model that should be followed? NO. It means that things are more complex than they are telling you and you are being played. Dig into the reasons and find out because it is happening again.
At 22 min White answering the statement People cope with the absurd through humor. Again a distraction. Wrong question. Dig for the truth on the Holocaust don’t mock it. The Zionists are perpetrating their own Holocaust as we speak
At 28 mins White comments that his opponents say that This would not be happening if you were a DPM. If you don’t believe that the nation of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy if you don’t believe that the modern Nation of Israel is a fulfillment Biblical prophecies about land and blessings etc are actually about Israel and not about the church……
My response:
From the foundation of the world there has always only been one church with Jesus Christ as the head. Faithful Jews and Gentiles are members of this one church which constitutes the new Israel under better covenants. The Zionist national manifestation is a fulfillment of prophecy, but it is not the Israel of God and yet within that entity there are faithful Jews. If God spares national Israel, it will because of God’s righteousness and because God does not break covenant. It will not be because of the nation’s righteousness. The apostle Paul was blinded (Acts 9:9) and national Israel is blinded (Rom 11:25). Christ was able to redeem and convert Paul to become his chief missionary. Paul the Benjamite (Philip 3:5) was saved because of the covenant between David and Johnathan the Benjamite (1 Sam 20:42) made with God as witness. The nation is unrighteous and breaks covenant. It persecutes and kills like Paul did. God is able to redeem the nation and heal them as he did with Paul. Unlike the nation God is righteous and unlike the nation God keeps covenant.
At 29 min White makes an argument to not apply good hermeneutics?🤣 Really? Bad interpretation should solve the problem. 🤣 We already have bad interpretation. By their fruits ye shall know them. An argument is not won by burning your opponent to death. There have been many Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians throughout history.
At 33 min White talks about WW2 and Buchenwald and says he is well read on WW2 written obviously by the Anglo-Zionist victors. Has he heard of revisionism? Does he know about the deals made between Nazis and Zionists or what Eisenhower did regarding the camps, about paperclip etc?
At 38 min White mentions that he is challenged with; Who does the pornography? Who is behind the cults?
Well? He fails to answer that question. The answer to that question is critical to what is going on. A big fail not to see the direct attack against Christianity and society and refusing to ask why it is being perpetrated or who is behind it. In my view that is a big warning sign like milking the Holocaust narrative.
At 42 min White makes it about mocking the murder of innocent people which is a straw-man.
This is a straw-man. It is about mocking Zionist propaganda. It is the Zionist milking of the Holocaust victims for political and ideological reasons that is the problem.
At 43 min White comes with the threats. Anyone who challenges “the narrative” is obviously a loon or a loner trying to gather a following (didn’t they say the same about Jesus?🤣
You are in deep trouble if you do not believe the Zionist propaganda about the Holocaust. You must believe their version of the truth. Six million died. Not 5,999,999. And the fact that the global Jewish population did not shrink by 6 million is a miracle.
At 46 min White says that the enemy is targeting us. He is correct but he does not realize that the church has been compromised for centuries. The historical narratives he promulgates are Zionist propaganda. That is the boomer world view.
At 48 min White Once again missing the point (deliberately?). It is the lies and propaganda that is being mocked not the real victims (and there were victims).
Conclusion so far
I won’t comment on the rest of the video but my conclusion is that this is damage limitation exercise and a prelude to excommunicate those who do not tow the Zionist line. Apparently White is upset about a Holocaust Meme but not about the Talmud calling Mary a whore and having Jesus boiling in excrement. That is not hateful. That is not mockery.
If you don’t want Holocaust propaganda to be mocked then tell the truth about it.
Donnie Darkend on Twitter adds the following:
Here’s a biblical perspective. Christians are under no obligation to support the political state of Israel or to excuse their wrongdoings, which are frequent. However, as Christians, we are obligated not to boast against the natural branches or to hate them, as the Apostle Paul commands. We must recognize that their spiritual blindness is part of God's sovereign plan to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. They were the first to receive the gospel and will be the last to accept the Messiah, culminating in Christ's return; “the first shall be the last.” This fulfills His prophecy in Matthew 23:39, where Jesus says that Jerusalem will not see Him again until they declare, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Zechariah 12:10 also prophesies that they will mourn for the one they have pierced, leading to their repentance. Our obligation is to be vessels of mercy, embodying Christ's values, rather than vessels of wrath, which is the direction the world is heading.
There is much that I agree with in the above but…..
Our obligation is to WITNESS. It is for God to show mercy to them and to us.
And yes…both Jew and Gentile have been grafted into the same hope. The root of the tree came out of dry ground (Isa 53:2) it is the root of Jesse (Isa 11:10). Not the Zionist state. (Zion means dry place). The Gentiles do not replace the Jews.
All true but we are not neutral. The atrocities and destruction of Western Society and the subversion of the Christian church by Zionists and Gnostics must be called out. That is not boasting.
And the whole point of the matter is that Christianity has been captured by Zionism. The American congress applauds a war criminal. So Christians do support what is happening. Boasting? Where is this boasting? All I see is sycophants and censorship of criticism.
1./ The day of wrath is coming when the Great Harlot will be burnt with fire. God has put this in their hearts (Rev 17:16-17). Actions have consequences. When you murder and pervert there will be a price to pay. Pointing that out is not hateful.
2./ And why are there 10 kings in Rev 17? Because the land promise in Gen 15 ten nations are enumerated. The Abraham accord will turn on the Harlot. But in the future the 10 nations will acknowledge the Jew (Jesus).
God is with you= Emmanuel
